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Saturday, November 10, 2012

Lord McAlpine tidies his Wikipedia entry

I am Barbara Richards, or Zoompad and I am one of the survivors of the Staffordshire Pindown child abuse/cover up and secret family court persecution and abuse.

 Ovenden's daughter

I think Lord McAlpine's Wikipedia entry might have been altered recently, because there seems to be a tiny bit of it missing now. It was something about him being the mysterious buyer of some erotic art, I think it was a photographic collection. There was a link, that took you to the artist, Graham Ovenden, this man:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Ovenden

But now it seems to have been taken down, I can't see it any more on Lord McAlpines Wikipedia entry.

From Ovenden's entry -

His depictions of children have resulted in several legal actions against him, but no convictions; his work has received support from leading figures in the art world, and is included in the Tate gallery collection.

COMMENTS -

Yes, it said: "In May 2003 the London ''Evening Standard'' reported that Lord McAlpine was the "well-known and anonymous collector" for whom Bloomsbury Book Auctions was selling a collection of 344 "fashion and eroticism" photographs, including "10 snaps of very young girls in very suggestive poses by [[Graham Ovenden]]"."McAlpine erotic sell-off", ''Evening Standard'', May 23 2003, p10"

David Icke writes about Lord Alistair Mcalpine and Jimmy Savile in his book The Biggest Secret.


This was the same book in which he named former Prime Minister Edward Heath as a paedophile, Satanist and mass child killer seven years before Heath died (a 'journalist' read him the text days after publication); the book in which he outed President Father George Bush as a child-killing, child-torturing paedophile; and the book in which David also exposed the Satanism and human sacrifice rituals of the British royal family. 





The Biggest Secret, 1998:

'Another famous paedophile ... in Britain is Lord McAlpine, the former treasurer of Heath’s Conservative Party, and executive of the McAlpine Construction empire. He also followed the late Jimmy Goldsmith as head of the Referendum Party in Britain which was created to hijack the groups opposing the European Union and lead them to glorious failure.

McAlpine, who is heavily involved in a network of Brotherhood secret societies, including the Freemasons, has been publicly named as a paedophile by the investigative magazine, Scallywag ... McAlpine was also named by one of the former residents at the Bryn Alyn Children’s Home in North Wales who said he was forced to have oral sex with him ...


TAP - except he wasn't.  It was Lord Mac's relative, not him.   Here is David Icke's reaction, followed by Chris Spivey's.  

Steve, mate, I am so sorry for what you went through, and what you are going through now, but for me bollocks is the only word in town.
Yet now the BBC is issuing 'unreserved apologies' to someone they didn't even name and the mainstream media is running around like headless chickens - 'don't panic, don't panic, it's all explained now, go back to sleep' - on the basis of such transparent BULLSHIT with regard to Steve Messham.


You know the most telling and relevant words written on this website in the last week? These ...


'If the real and full truth comes out about what really goes on away from the public eye it will bring down the British political establishment across all parties and make the monarchy history.'
That, in my view, is what Steve Messham’s sudden about-turn after decades is really about and the mainstream media may run, and much of the 'alternative' media may run, but I bloody won't.



Some of us are not chickens and our heads are still intact. Some of us will not go back to sleep because we were never asleep in the first place.



Is it only me that finds all this absolutely inexplicable?



I doubt it.

Julia writes -

It's pretty much text book behaviour of an abused child to retract an allegation. 
And though Steve Messham is an adult now, he will no doubt have had serious threats of some sort. The most effective kind of threat is not on yourself, but on someone you love. Works a dream every time. 

The law is set up to rely on the evidence of the victim, the child. Our whole society is programmed to think how the law thinks. Guess why it is set up that way? Because all they have to do is threaten the child with something like "I will kill your mother" and the child shuts up. No evidence means no crime in our system. And evidence from other sources does not count in the face of the victim denying the crime. 

The justification for the "Innocent til Proven Guilty" method of justice is that it protects the innocent from false indictment. But of course it doesn't protect the innocent children from abuse. Our whole warped justice system is set up to favour the global elites and their paedophilia. It's set up by them, for them and run by them too. 

We rely in this system to label crimes and criminals, and it fails miserably. The criminals walk free, paedophilia is barely a crime, and innocent people are framed. 


AderynTan said...
1 history of wikipedia page on Lord McAlpine

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alistair_McAlpine,_Baron_McAlpine_of_West_Green&offset=&limit=500&action=history



2 Activity increases from Nov 3rd onwards (Decora)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alistair_McAlpine,_Baron_McAlpine_of_West_Green&oldid=521265128




3 page on 6th Nov 2012 at 14:09, (Nedrutland)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alistair_McAlpine,_Baron_McAlpine_of_West_Green&oldid=521670732




4 page on 7th Nov 2012 at 04:21, Addition to "Art and collecting" section by Oafc1990


In May 2003 the London Evening Standard reported that Lord McAlpine was the "well-known and anonymous collector" for whom Bloomsbury Book Auctions was selling a collection of 344 "fashion and eroticism" photographs, including "10 snaps of very young girls in very suggestive poses by Graham Ovenden".[23]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alistair_McAlpine,_Baron_McAlpine_of_West_Green&oldid=521777230




5 page on 9th Nov at 17:54, (The Rambling Man)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alistair_McAlpine,_Baron_McAlpine_of_West_Green&oldid=522208151



6 page on 10th Nov at 05:13, Removal from "Art and collecting" section by Emperor


In May 2003 the London Evening Standard reported that Lord McAlpine was the "well-known and anonymous collector" for whom Bloomsbury Book Auctions was selling a collection of 344 "fashion and eroticism" photographs, including "10 snaps of very young girls in very suggestive poses by Graham Ovenden".[23]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alistair_McAlpine,_Baron_McAlpine_of_West_Green&oldid=522287628



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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/Oafc1990


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Emperor

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=User%3AEmperor&namespace=

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/Emperor&offset=&limit=500&type=&user=Emperor




 



28 comments:

Henry North London 2.0 said...

Yup it was there yesterday but if its gone today then there are problems.

Why hide something that is already in the public arena. It shows guilt

Anonymous said...

Yes, it said: "In May 2003 the London ''Evening Standard'' reported that Lord McAlpine was the "well-known and anonymous collector" for whom Bloomsbury Book Auctions was selling a collection of 344 "fashion and eroticism" photographs, including "10 snaps of very young girls in very suggestive poses by [[Graham Ovenden]]"."McAlpine erotic sell-off", ''Evening Standard'', May 23 2003, p10"

Conspiracy Thierry said...

You can run but you cannot hide nowadays. May the force be with you.

Anonymous said...

Well, Tap, it could have been a relative of McAlpine.

Or it could still have been McAlpine - see Icke's recent and plausible perspective:

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/75235-is-it-only-me

Alternatively, there is the possibility that the McAlpine's are all innocent.

Whilst the latter seems unlikely (and I favour Icke's opinion personally), we should seek out if there are any other allegations against McAlpine other than Bryn Alyn. The Ovenden wikipedia info is perhaps suspicious but it isn't damning (though it's a good step in the right direction if McAlpine is guilty as "charged")

Anonymous said...

Tom Watson’s Website is Down.
http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/

Anonymous said...

The revelations about Jimmy Savile and the subsequent naming of others allegedly involved reminds me very much of the Larry King case in America. There, for those who are not aware of this, was the scandal involving Larry King, a main fundraiser for the Republican party, who was alleged to have been a major player in a paedophile group supplying young people, mainly boys, to similar groups of V. I. P.'s to those mentioned in the article above.
There are differences, of course. Firstly, Larry King was not dead. Secondly, he did get indicted and convicted of fraud, not the sexual abuse of children (rather like Al Capone being charged with tax offences as against being a gangster!).
The similarity is that as the revelations seemed to be taking the case towards the White House and President George Bush, with allegations that young people had been given tours of the White House in the early hours of the morning, by somebody who had managed to side-step all the security arrangements that exist in that building, so a number of the key witnesses started to change their testimony, possibly due to pressure being placed upon them, by those who had most to lose, through their own particular agencies.
This has a twofold effect. Either the witness withdraws their testimony in its entirety, in which case, job done. Alternatively, they may be persuaded to stick with their original story, after changing it, in which case they can be dismissed as unreliable; job done again!
If, as has been alleged, the abuser of Steve Messham was not THE Lord McAlpine, but 1 of his relatives, should we not want to know who?
I am sure that there are other allegations against Lord McAlpine
elsewhere, but whether or not the authorities would be interested or bothered about tracking them down is another matter.
To go back to the Larry King case for a moment, there was a young girl who point blank refused to amend her witness statement. She ended up being put in prison for 15 - 20 years, I believe, (she may still be there). With such past results to go on, it is hardly surprising that anybody would not want to change their witness testimony.
Given the examples quoted on the Perspective website (I hope that I have remembered the name correctly) regarding the corrupt links between policeman, lawyers, judges, etc., the possibility of somebody being framed and put in prison to silence them is only too real to those in such a position.
I am sorry that this has been a rather long comment; this is the first time that I have put finger to keyboard on 1 of these sorts of issues for some time. It remains to be seen whether the revelations have got too close to home for some people for anything further to be revealed, except for perhaps a few more lowly connections further down the sexual food chain. Time alone will tell!
I also remember that there was a U. K. documentary made about the Larry King affair, I believe by Yorkshire Television, which was banned from being screened on both sides of the Atlantic. It would appear that it is not only the B. B. C. who gets this sort of treatment, but then both they and the I. T. V. companies are probably being run by the same group of people!

Anonymous said...

Readers please link Jersey abuse/murders ongoing injustices regularly in your blogs and put up links. The honest local inspector and also head of Jersey police were suspended for sincerely investigating the satanist banking elites there who abused and killed innocent little flowers.
http://ricosorda.blogspot.co.uk/
http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.co.uk/

P.S. Larry King documentary is back online:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlzCewDX8Mo

Anonymous said...

Just to clarify. If you click on the 'talk' tab at the top of the page you can see more discussion about this.

The wikipedia part about the Ovenden auction has been temporarily removed until it can be re-verified, because the citation is from a source that is not readily available to the public on the internet. The Evening Standard does not post is archives online in an easily accessible format so someone has to go to a library or similar place and find a database that has the old copies.

On top of this problem, is the fact that many databases do not go back 9 years, so finding an article from 2003 will be more difficult.

This is an extra step of caution that one would not usually see on Wikipedia, however, considering the massive problems caused by BBCs bad reporting and the 'trial by twitter' it is a safety measure to protect wikipedia from vandalism and false statements being posted on it, and to protect wikipedia and it's editors from libel lawsuits.

When the information is verified, and when the article becomes unlocked in a few weeks, the Ovenden auction will doubtless be re-added to the article (you can add it yourself if you like).

Anonymous said...

You will find the article about the Ovenden pics on the Icke Forum pages, under the Lord McAlpine thread. Good read & my money is on Robert McAlpine being the one that abused Steve Messham. Also, there are rumors that the current Lord McAlpine was advised to leave Australia. Anybody got any details?

Anonymous said...

Apologies, it's not the McAlpine thread, I'm going thru the JS is a paedo thread, which is 700+ pages. I'm starting at the back, so will let you know when I find it! Interesting info on Eric Gill, who was the sculptor of pieces used outside the BBC and one of the UN buildings. Gill's diaries indicate what a vile creature HE was! Funny how they link!

Anonymous said...

PC problems today, but Graham Ovenden's history seems to have been tidied up too! aangirfan had the info on the London Eve Standard story, which I believe Icke's forum links to. Sorry, I bounce around so many sites. Mention on Icke about Ken Livingstone saying Mi5 had films taken at kid's homes. Have to admire him for saying that!

Julia said...

It's pretty much text book behaviour of an abused child to retract an allegation.
And though Steve Messham is an adult now, he will no doubt have had serious threats of some sort. The most effective kind of threat is not on yourself, but on someone you love. Works a dream every time.
The law is set up to rely on the evidence of the victim, the child. Our whole society is programmed to think how the law thinks. Guess why it is set up that way? Because all they have to do is threaten the child with something like "I will kill your mother" and the child shuts up. No evidence means no crime in our system. And evidence from other sources does not count in the face of the victim denying the crime.
The justification for the "Innocent til Proven Guilty" method of justice is that it protects the innocent from false indictment. But of course it doesn't protect the innocent children from abuse. Our whole warped justice system is set up to favour the global elites and their paedophilia. It's set up by them, for them and run by them too.
We rely in this system to label crimes and criminals, and it fails miserably. The criminals walk free, paedophilia is barely a crime, and innocent people are framed.

Toad Hall said...

TIMES FRONT PAGE TOMORROW:

'Tory peer in threat to sue Twitter accusers'


https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/267765304216670208/photo/1

Anonymous said...

Hello. I was wary of your allegations, so I checked to see if the story was indeed published in the Evening Standard. I trust you will find the attached screenshot of interest.

http://www.dumpt.com/img/viewer.php?file=pktmfsavd2jz2ubejqwo.png

Toad Hall said...

Lord McAlpine's solicitors will pursue all on Twitter whose tweets contributed to his being identified

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/lord-mcalpine-seeks-settlements-wiith-all-journaists-who-implicated-him-twitter

AderynTan said...

1 history of wikipedia page on Lord McAlpine

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alistair_McAlpine,_Baron_McAlpine_of_West_Green&offset=&limit=500&action=history



2 Activity increases from Nov 3rd onwards (Decora)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alistair_McAlpine,_Baron_McAlpine_of_West_Green&oldid=521265128




3 page on 6th Nov 2012 at 14:09, (Nedrutland)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alistair_McAlpine,_Baron_McAlpine_of_West_Green&oldid=521670732




4 page on 7th Nov 2012 at 04:21, Addition to "Art and collecting" section by Oafc1990


In May 2003 the London Evening Standard reported that Lord McAlpine was the "well-known and anonymous collector" for whom Bloomsbury Book Auctions was selling a collection of 344 "fashion and eroticism" photographs, including "10 snaps of very young girls in very suggestive poses by Graham Ovenden".[23]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alistair_McAlpine,_Baron_McAlpine_of_West_Green&oldid=521777230




5 page on 9th Nov at 17:54, (The Rambling Man)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alistair_McAlpine,_Baron_McAlpine_of_West_Green&oldid=522208151



6 page on 10th Nov at 05:13, Removal from "Art and collecting" section by Emperor


In May 2003 the London Evening Standard reported that Lord McAlpine was the "well-known and anonymous collector" for whom Bloomsbury Book Auctions was selling a collection of 344 "fashion and eroticism" photographs, including "10 snaps of very young girls in very suggestive poses by Graham Ovenden".[23]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alistair_McAlpine,_Baron_McAlpine_of_West_Green&oldid=522287628



7 User:Oafc1990

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Oafc1990

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/Oafc1990


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Emperor

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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/Emperor&offset=&limit=500&type=&user=Emperor

Anonymous said...

David Icke also believes the Protocols of Elders of Zion is real and that Lizard People control the planet. Wikipedia is about accuracy, and cannot use people like Icke as a source, because he doesn't care whether he is accurate.

There are dozens of journalists who risk their lives to tell the truth, you can read about them at Reporters Without Borders, Committee to Protect Journalists, etc. If you want to 'speak to truth to power' go read about them. Start with "Killing the Cranes" by Girardet, to see what real journalists risk to expose abuses of power.

By spreading rumors and trusting things in Icke forums, you are embarassing yourself and insulting the dead.

Anonymous said...

As for the 'secret identity of wikipedia editors', its not a secret. You can read their edit histories. You can see the articles they created. You can see how they write and take your own conclusions.

What most long-time wikipedia editors do not, typically, do is spray shit all over the internet without verifying it very carefully, because, unlike the 'conspiracy community', most wikipedians actually care whether they are accurate or not, and worry about hurting the innocent as much as they care about examining the guilty --- because if you start hurting innocent people, then you are the bad guy. You are the system. You are the evil you claim to be against. You cannot let that happen, not if you want to stay a human being.


Anonymous said...

"Hello. I was wary of your allegations, so I checked to see if the story was indeed published in the Evening Standard. I trust you will find the attached screenshot of interest.

http://www.dumpt.com/img/viewer.php?file=pktmfsavd2jz2ubejqwo.png"


Thanks for that, its quite interesting, and it was nice of someone to pull up proquest. But. The article has no author information.

The relevant quote in the story doesnt even come out and say McAlpine even owned the collection, it only says that "My source told me" that McAlpine owned it. Who is "me" in this case? We dont know, the article doesnt tell us.

By the way, the guy who ran the auction himself claimed they had reviewed the photos and found them non-objectionable. And he wouldnt say who owned it. These little tidbits were conveniently left out of the original wikipedia edit.

Not that I am a fan of Ovenden. A google image search reveals that the guy is a bit of a creepy fellow, and titling one of his books "Lolita" does not inspire confidence.

But the thing is this. There are so many cases where we have good evidence that children are being abused, like the Mexican drug mafia brothels, the Mujahideen trafficking during the Afghan war, the Dubai government's winks and nods at massive sex slavery there, and on and on and on. Human trafficking researchers can give you hundreds of cases of well researched child abuse by powerful and rich people.

Journalist Leah McGrath Goodman is trying to get her UK visa renewed so she can finish her book about Haut de La Garenne. Have all of you gone and signed the petition on change.org to urge the UK government to re-admit her? There are 3,000 signatures on that petition now. Why don't you go sign that petition instead of wasting your life on this McAlpine bullshit?

Is it about the children or is it about "nailing" an old rich Tory? Its like a classic case of Law and Order Special Victims Unit. Sometimes the people 'investigating' these things have their own axes to grind.

Tapestry said...

URL is not working.

Tapestry said...

Icke is an interesting researcher and makes a good case for his theories. The lizard/reptile origins of man is a universal history in all ancient cultures. The case saying that reptiles have had no role in our history is harder to prove.

Anonymous said...

Confirmation from the man himself that he previously owned the Ovenden collection http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/05/16/1052885405797.html

Anonymous said...

I made a rather long comment previously, near the top of the page, and I have only just returned to this page. In further researching the McAlpine/Steve Messham situation, I came across an item relating to the allegation that Steve Messham was beaten up twice when he was a witness against a certain Supt. Anglesea, in a similar case. It does not take a lot of imagination to realise that if he was threatened again, he would be likely to have changed his story to save himself further injury.
In response to the comment about Lord McAlpine having to leave Australia hurriedly, I think that the commenter might be referring to the case of Peter Liddy, a convicted paedophile, in Australia, who was known to McAlpine. The latter left the country shortly before Liddy's conviction. All circumstantial/co-incidence, no doubt, but it does make one think!
I am sorry that I have not got the exact links, but if you search under the protagonists names, linked together, something should come up.

Anonymous said...

alright folks.

enough time has passed. the erotic art auction info is being added back into the mcalpine article. slowly, carefully, with accuracy as the guiding principle.

if you want to help, put down the rage-ahol and try to do some research.

Charles Frith said...

Related to the subject

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Anonymous said...

The above poster: Lord De Chanson alias Mr Craig Tuck, alias Mr Roland Lybird is a convicted criminal and well known fraudster. In 1985 he was convicted of four cases of deception. In 1998 he was imprisoned for accounting irregularities. Business history: First bankruptcy 1990. A further bankruptcy in 2004 of Roland Lybird London Ltd. Current business venture: Global Investors Research, with registered business address The Flat, The Bakery, Sark, Channel Islands.

Seb Coe said...

Lord de Chanson does not appear in Debrett's Peerage and Baronetage. But he tells people that this is his real name - it was changed from Craig Tuck by deed poll in 1992. In 1995, Craig Tuck was convicted of four counts of obtaining money by deception at Bradford Crown Court. This venture went bust, leaving publications where he had advertised, and others, out of pocket. In 1998, he was jailed for accounting irregularities.