Uranus didn't used to have rings, but now it does.
The moon of Saturn Prometheus has something to do with the rings there, he agrees with Kerry.
Bergrun says it's exhaust, just like Saturn's rings.
He takes a long time to spit it all out, but it's fascinating, and not acted.
Someone tried to poison him with an apple. He noticed it was adulterated and cut out two chunks. That action saved his life. His ideas were getting too controversial for somebody.
Jupiter is getting rings too. The ring-makers make tremendous energy. New vehicles go into the rings to get their energy, and grow in size. They are as if alive vehicles.
Kerry asks if the vehicles fly close to the sun to power up too. He agrees that he's seen that too.
Norman says things are getting critical out there. He says 'things' are moving faster to get away from something (what people think is the universe expanding). There is a battle between good and bad going on out in the universe, a battle which caused the big bang.
His son says he gets voices in his head.
He wrote some formulas which were not the kind that could be written on earth.
This frightened Norman. His son's not even a scientist.
He thinks things are going to happen, a gut feeling.
Kerry - NASA is a front organisation for the secret space programme. Who are the insider organisations? Lockheed?
Norman - Lockheed only got stuff recently. I was the go-to guy. Even behind closed doors people were stunned by Kennedy's assassination. I gave a paper on how to travel to the nearest star system around 1988.
Einstein got together with Mach once, and asked how to reference speed. Einstein figured he'd work from the speed of light as his. He imagined you couldn't go faster than the speed of light. I found many examples of things going faster the speed of light.
Above the speed of sound, you go into the area of time travel.
He saw a plane flying overhead, which he realised was a hologram.
Kerry. Remote viewers of distant objects?
Norman - these are not scientifically acceptable but interesting. The craft I saw in the rings were very small, babies. They are growing using the rings. Mining is something we do here on earth. You don't need to be very bright to be a miner. It's too low for them. These are smarts. They are a life form. We are not capable of communicating with them. They choose the type of entity they want to communicate with someone who can build a radio.
Kerry - Richard Hogan? says he's seen cities in the rings of Saturn.
Norman - I would not call them cities myself. He can see organised structures of some sort. I agree with that.
Kerry - Saturn has a hexagonal top?
Norman - Any geometric form can be made. I want to flesh things out for people in my writing in this critical time, if the material hasn't been stolen or destroyed.
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